vxg
08-27 01:33 PM
I checked with some folks who have got GCs in the past and they mentioned that FP (2nd time ) is not needed.....unlike the minds of USCIS one's FP doesn't change over his lifetime...that said..if you apply renew EAD u can get FP notice....
But if 15 month rule of FP is correct then very few will get approved as very few have received 2nd FP notice....so I am not sure what is good or bad...we need to know if the folks who had got FP notice had recently renewed their EADs or not.
I am current next month but I rate my odds as 2/98 meaning 2% chance of getting clear.....taking into account RD/ND/transfer/FP all vagaries into account....even Indian monsoon is more predictable.
SoP
Per my attorney and several forums i researched a second FP Is generally sent when your case is about ready to be approved and normally a good sign as they can approve GC and ask for FP after that before sending you cards. However in one forum i found someone posted a DHS release from 2007 describing the FP data is switched to digital storage in a system called BSS and will remain valid for 75 years, thus one theory says that if your first FP was done digitally you may not need second FO and IO can access the results of first FP and approve. But who knows what is true, all of these are speculations.
I have not got second FP notice either and my first and only FP happened in Nov 2007.
But if 15 month rule of FP is correct then very few will get approved as very few have received 2nd FP notice....so I am not sure what is good or bad...we need to know if the folks who had got FP notice had recently renewed their EADs or not.
I am current next month but I rate my odds as 2/98 meaning 2% chance of getting clear.....taking into account RD/ND/transfer/FP all vagaries into account....even Indian monsoon is more predictable.
SoP
Per my attorney and several forums i researched a second FP Is generally sent when your case is about ready to be approved and normally a good sign as they can approve GC and ask for FP after that before sending you cards. However in one forum i found someone posted a DHS release from 2007 describing the FP data is switched to digital storage in a system called BSS and will remain valid for 75 years, thus one theory says that if your first FP was done digitally you may not need second FO and IO can access the results of first FP and approve. But who knows what is true, all of these are speculations.
I have not got second FP notice either and my first and only FP happened in Nov 2007.
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gatec77
08-11 05:33 AM
May be the person who leaked this news and the person who posted in post 3205 is the same. He purposefully leaked same dates at 6.35 PM and later leaked this.
But also it looks like the firm may have got hold of a draft bulletin from somebody in the USCIS.
Very tricky, I would say the chances the bulletin is true is 70 - 30
But also it looks like the firm may have got hold of a draft bulletin from somebody in the USCIS.
Very tricky, I would say the chances the bulletin is true is 70 - 30
chanduv23
02-23 02:09 PM
Chandu, my question is not whether HR dept can handle it properly or not.
My intention/question here is if an applicant is on H1 (most of the cases 5th or 6th yr of H1) and then loose the job and until he finds other job (has EAD but never used it) the applicant does not have payroll running during the break. then technically is he ok or does he has to maintain h1 status or does EAD protect him.
Coz until he finds a job and files for AC21 an applicant does not do any thing.
And what do you mean by satisfy AC21 criteria. unless you find a job you cannot file AC21....so during the gap (what is the status of this gap?...technically I am trying to find an answer. please point me to a link or document. If you are aware of it, else can IV find an answer to it)
"f you lost job on h1b and satisfy AC21 criteria then you are in pending AOS state and use EAD to work."
Chandu, thanks for at least answering my question.
Good luck for you!
As far as I know, if you filed for 485 and crossed 180 days after that with the same employer - it basically means that you have satisfied AC21 minimum requirement and you must look for a new job under same or similar category. If you manage to find a job pretty quick, then you can go for h1b transfer and it should not be an issue, but if it is taking time, then you may have issues with transfer because you may not have paystubs, but technically, you are legally allowed to stay because a decision on your 485 has not yet been made and before a decision is made look for a new job in same or similar criteria.
My intention/question here is if an applicant is on H1 (most of the cases 5th or 6th yr of H1) and then loose the job and until he finds other job (has EAD but never used it) the applicant does not have payroll running during the break. then technically is he ok or does he has to maintain h1 status or does EAD protect him.
Coz until he finds a job and files for AC21 an applicant does not do any thing.
And what do you mean by satisfy AC21 criteria. unless you find a job you cannot file AC21....so during the gap (what is the status of this gap?...technically I am trying to find an answer. please point me to a link or document. If you are aware of it, else can IV find an answer to it)
"f you lost job on h1b and satisfy AC21 criteria then you are in pending AOS state and use EAD to work."
Chandu, thanks for at least answering my question.
Good luck for you!
As far as I know, if you filed for 485 and crossed 180 days after that with the same employer - it basically means that you have satisfied AC21 minimum requirement and you must look for a new job under same or similar category. If you manage to find a job pretty quick, then you can go for h1b transfer and it should not be an issue, but if it is taking time, then you may have issues with transfer because you may not have paystubs, but technically, you are legally allowed to stay because a decision on your 485 has not yet been made and before a decision is made look for a new job in same or similar criteria.
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terriblething
06-12 03:43 PM
I agree with your suggestion, but for attorney change, do you think any bad effects? Someone told me judge and jury might question why you change attorney? We already move out that place, so no chance to contact them. Also in terms of the law, we can't access witness.
Feel shamed on my poor English, yes, I need improve it ASAP after that jury. Thanks for your advice again!
And who is going to be a witness, if your wife is going to take your side?
The neighbours that complained and any other neighbours who have heard you guys in the past.
Now, DO NOT TALK TO THESE NEIGHBOURS AT ALL. Nothing, NADA. Do not show any emotions to them, say hello if you see them and move on. If they try to talk, it is good, but DO NOT STOP TO talk. Inform your attorney about it.
Change the attorney, if you think you are getting a raw deal.
THis case should be dismissed.
I believe this case is a dismissed case from the beginning. Police/lawyer have nothing else to do, I mean, they are just doing their jobs, and they cant be funny at all. They will go by what the law says. Period. Research what the law says.
Now on the actual event:
Everyone, I mean everyone will have disputes. Now, the dispute is so large that the neighbours call the cops? I will guarantee that every IVian here who is married for 3 years or longer (or already has a kid), has had a bad argument, where either of the spouse has screamed(or spoken with a very high tone).
Your wife continued screaming so loud that you had to cover her mouth to pacify her, bcos she peed on herself.
Wait a minute here, if I was a cop, I would definitely judge this as DV. Unless, you absolutely had shut up to begin with. No chair, no drag, no nothing. which now has to be proved as misinterpretation.
And any offer that your lawyer brings you is trying to resolve the case, You are the one who should decide whether this case goes to trial or not.
Past peeing incidences, where the neighbours heard screams should be kept in mind.
And finally, take English lessons, dude, your written English too is very poor.
You can actually submit this as a proof that you were misinterpreted, if this goes to a Jury trial.
Also, please Delete any proof of the incidence, including the one posted here. No one shold be seeing the 100% truth, your 100% truth is scary.
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Feel shamed on my poor English, yes, I need improve it ASAP after that jury. Thanks for your advice again!
And who is going to be a witness, if your wife is going to take your side?
The neighbours that complained and any other neighbours who have heard you guys in the past.
Now, DO NOT TALK TO THESE NEIGHBOURS AT ALL. Nothing, NADA. Do not show any emotions to them, say hello if you see them and move on. If they try to talk, it is good, but DO NOT STOP TO talk. Inform your attorney about it.
Change the attorney, if you think you are getting a raw deal.
THis case should be dismissed.
I believe this case is a dismissed case from the beginning. Police/lawyer have nothing else to do, I mean, they are just doing their jobs, and they cant be funny at all. They will go by what the law says. Period. Research what the law says.
Now on the actual event:
Everyone, I mean everyone will have disputes. Now, the dispute is so large that the neighbours call the cops? I will guarantee that every IVian here who is married for 3 years or longer (or already has a kid), has had a bad argument, where either of the spouse has screamed(or spoken with a very high tone).
Your wife continued screaming so loud that you had to cover her mouth to pacify her, bcos she peed on herself.
Wait a minute here, if I was a cop, I would definitely judge this as DV. Unless, you absolutely had shut up to begin with. No chair, no drag, no nothing. which now has to be proved as misinterpretation.
And any offer that your lawyer brings you is trying to resolve the case, You are the one who should decide whether this case goes to trial or not.
Past peeing incidences, where the neighbours heard screams should be kept in mind.
And finally, take English lessons, dude, your written English too is very poor.
You can actually submit this as a proof that you were misinterpreted, if this goes to a Jury trial.
Also, please Delete any proof of the incidence, including the one posted here. No one shold be seeing the 100% truth, your 100% truth is scary.
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Macaca
08-12 11:09 AM
Statisitcs and Data on Green Card (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12255) raises following issues
Labor certification stats + AOS application stats + Name check stats + ...
Also, keep in mind that IV is working on a permanent solution for future GC applicants
Importance of employment based (EB) GC applicant grassroot lobbying
Anemic EB GC applicant response
Consequences of anemic EB GC applicant response
Labor certification stats + AOS application stats + Name check stats + ...
Also, keep in mind that IV is working on a permanent solution for future GC applicants
Importance of employment based (EB) GC applicant grassroot lobbying
Anemic EB GC applicant response
Consequences of anemic EB GC applicant response
ramus
06-28 12:12 PM
Does this indicate that all dates will be 'C' in July?
Starting July 2, USCIS will no longer allow petitioners to file their I-140's under the premium processing program.* This is expected to be a temporary measure; starting August 1 petitioners will be allowed to file their*I-140 cases under the premium processing program.
*
The USCIS' press release can be accessed here: http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=22772
Starting July 2, USCIS will no longer allow petitioners to file their I-140's under the premium processing program.* This is expected to be a temporary measure; starting August 1 petitioners will be allowed to file their*I-140 cases under the premium processing program.
*
The USCIS' press release can be accessed here: http://www.aila.org/content/default.aspx?docid=22772
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unknown123
04-21 06:24 PM
I also have a 3 year Bachelor's degree (BSc Physics) + 3 Year masters degree (MCA) from India. I would like to get it evaluated. Could you please let me know which education evaluation agency you used?
Is you bachelor and master degree in the same or related discipline? I read somewhere that the bachelors and master's will have to be in the same or related fields for it to be considered equivalent to US Masters degree.
Yes, my Bachelor and Master's are in same/related discipline. I think you can use any education evaluator but make sure that are aware of Indian Education System. We have responded to the RFE. I will post the outcome for the benefit for all.
Is you bachelor and master degree in the same or related discipline? I read somewhere that the bachelors and master's will have to be in the same or related fields for it to be considered equivalent to US Masters degree.
Yes, my Bachelor and Master's are in same/related discipline. I think you can use any education evaluator but make sure that are aware of Indian Education System. We have responded to the RFE. I will post the outcome for the benefit for all.
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DDLMODES
07-06 12:47 PM
:confused:
As I understand, if we win the lawsuit, they will accept all 485 filed in July, no matter July 2 or 31. But they will process July 2 case first.
Based on what exactly ??
Nobody here even comes close in identifying which are the eligibility criteria. Everybody hopes for one or the other.
Meanwhile one thing is for sure:
Every application filed after July 2nd, is filed AFTER they closed the doors oficially! How are we in the same class as the people from July 2nd ??? Just because we prepared for filing ??? Isn't that a bit weak in the eyes of the law ?
As I understand, if we win the lawsuit, they will accept all 485 filed in July, no matter July 2 or 31. But they will process July 2 case first.
Based on what exactly ??
Nobody here even comes close in identifying which are the eligibility criteria. Everybody hopes for one or the other.
Meanwhile one thing is for sure:
Every application filed after July 2nd, is filed AFTER they closed the doors oficially! How are we in the same class as the people from July 2nd ??? Just because we prepared for filing ??? Isn't that a bit weak in the eyes of the law ?
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jamesbond007
09-05 03:41 PM
AC21 is nothing to do with AP. In AC21, you are changing the job WITHIN US, not leaving US. There is some securty related reason, for requiring one must not leave USA when AOS is pending. AP is for a short emergency travel during AOS. Yes..it will be a pain if AOS takes many years, particularly travel issues.
Yes. AC21 has nothing to do with AP directly.
But it enables job easy change into a similar job if you have EAD. And that provision is predominantly used by people going thru the AOS process.
When they use AC21 to change jobs, they are strictly in AOS and not in another visa status.
My point was that when AC21 was made, they did not look at all the down stream impacts.
anyways... lets not argue about AC21<->AP.
Since DOS routinely updates their forms, why can't the the form used for AP be updated to change its wording?
Can this be approached as an administrative fix?
Yes. AC21 has nothing to do with AP directly.
But it enables job easy change into a similar job if you have EAD. And that provision is predominantly used by people going thru the AOS process.
When they use AC21 to change jobs, they are strictly in AOS and not in another visa status.
My point was that when AC21 was made, they did not look at all the down stream impacts.
anyways... lets not argue about AC21<->AP.
Since DOS routinely updates their forms, why can't the the form used for AP be updated to change its wording?
Can this be approached as an administrative fix?
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sunnysharma
06-28 01:47 PM
Does this indicate that all dates will be 'C' in July?
Lets hope so
Lets hope so
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sammyb
10-12 04:56 PM
are you joining us?!
won't be able to join today ... lets update the thread about how it goes ...
won't be able to join today ... lets update the thread about how it goes ...
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05-27 04:20 PM
Lets hope for the best on this bill !
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chanduv23
04-08 02:11 PM
Gandhi was in S Africa for how many years before he returned to India? If he hadn't been humiliated in S Africa and didn't decide to perform Satyagraha-who knows what shape our freedom movement might have taken?S Africa made Mohandas a "Gandhi"
Maybe, we all need to go to our home countries-and free them from "beloved politicians":-)
Gandhi was never an immigrant and was in SA for solving a legal case on a temporary contract. He was always wanting to go back to India but because of the conditions of Indians, he was urged to stay back and help them, he actually went back in between and again came back to SA for a more organized effort.
The situation now is different. The Durbin Grassely bill lobbyists are basically doing what has been happening in UK where local population do not want Asian immigrants taking high paying challenging jobs in their own soil. They don't seem to care if these jobs go away because the effect will be long term and as such it is a known fact that in these days, we seldom see the immigrant community having a good cooperation, every immigrant feels that one less immigrant, it is good for him.
This has been happening in every country where highly skilled migrants take job positions in countries like Aus, NZ, UK, Germany etc..
The US system is harder to crack for anti immigrants than these countries. So they follow this slow bleed approach. On the long run their objectives will be met though it would force out high skilled jobs abroad.
One good thing is that developing nations must capitulate on this and make their labor laws good and also copyright laws and patent laws so that innovation and products are developed in developing nations and so called developed nations will bleed technology and innovation.
Maybe, we all need to go to our home countries-and free them from "beloved politicians":-)
Gandhi was never an immigrant and was in SA for solving a legal case on a temporary contract. He was always wanting to go back to India but because of the conditions of Indians, he was urged to stay back and help them, he actually went back in between and again came back to SA for a more organized effort.
The situation now is different. The Durbin Grassely bill lobbyists are basically doing what has been happening in UK where local population do not want Asian immigrants taking high paying challenging jobs in their own soil. They don't seem to care if these jobs go away because the effect will be long term and as such it is a known fact that in these days, we seldom see the immigrant community having a good cooperation, every immigrant feels that one less immigrant, it is good for him.
This has been happening in every country where highly skilled migrants take job positions in countries like Aus, NZ, UK, Germany etc..
The US system is harder to crack for anti immigrants than these countries. So they follow this slow bleed approach. On the long run their objectives will be met though it would force out high skilled jobs abroad.
One good thing is that developing nations must capitulate on this and make their labor laws good and also copyright laws and patent laws so that innovation and products are developed in developing nations and so called developed nations will bleed technology and innovation.
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swaroopmukka
07-18 10:47 AM
Hello,
I have a similar situation, but different factors. My labor has been approved May 2007 and I can apply for my 140 and 485 together and I'll do it now well before Aug 16. I'm getting married and my wife would be here by September or October. She'll be on H4. I won't be applying for my EAD if she decides to be on H4. If the dates go back to say 2005, I will need to wait for my priority date of May 2007 to come CURRENT again and then only do her AOS (I'm assuming until then even my 485 won't be touched by USCIS). Once my date becomes current and my application starts processing, I'll add her immediately.
Now the only thing I'd be missing in such a case would be applying for my EAD anytime soon. If she decides to apply for H1B next year or even go on
F1, then I can apply my EAD and start using it. I'll be on my EAD and she'll be on H1/F1. When my priority date becomes current (in a few years assuming), then I can add her AOS.
Please suggest what should I do now ??
Thanks
I have a similar situation, but different factors. My labor has been approved May 2007 and I can apply for my 140 and 485 together and I'll do it now well before Aug 16. I'm getting married and my wife would be here by September or October. She'll be on H4. I won't be applying for my EAD if she decides to be on H4. If the dates go back to say 2005, I will need to wait for my priority date of May 2007 to come CURRENT again and then only do her AOS (I'm assuming until then even my 485 won't be touched by USCIS). Once my date becomes current and my application starts processing, I'll add her immediately.
Now the only thing I'd be missing in such a case would be applying for my EAD anytime soon. If she decides to apply for H1B next year or even go on
F1, then I can apply my EAD and start using it. I'll be on my EAD and she'll be on H1/F1. When my priority date becomes current (in a few years assuming), then I can add her AOS.
Please suggest what should I do now ??
Thanks
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chanduv23
10-09 12:53 PM
Looks like ppl require additional incentives (like free drinks) to attend this event.
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venky321
02-15 10:11 AM
Isn't it illegal to hire out L1's as contractors? But even the large IT companies do it all the same.
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cjain
12-14 01:08 PM
Folks I had an infopass this morning for EAD pending more than 90 days. The officer basically told me cannot issue EAD but will contact NSC to check status and gave a customer information receipt saying "Our records indicate that your I765 is pending. I will contact NSC for further review of your application"
I was very disappointed by this. Is there anything else I can do to get interim EAD? I still don't see a LUD on my case.
I was very disappointed by this. Is there anything else I can do to get interim EAD? I still don't see a LUD on my case.
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gcnirvana
04-28 03:50 PM
Got my Tax Refund today and as pledged contributed 5% to IV.
I urge all members to contribute NOW when it is most needed.
Go IV go!!
I urge all members to contribute NOW when it is most needed.
Go IV go!!
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amitga
08-25 04:03 PM
The poll shows that there are substantial number of cases from Yr 2004 or earlier. This shows that the Dates will be going back in October Visa bulletin. If the number of applications are 50 times of the polled numbers, then also it will take 2-3 years to clear the Yr 2004 and earlier applications.
vineet
08-12 01:14 PM
vishwak,
I just got off the call from uscis regarding my I-485. My PD is in the first week of Mar 2006.
Per the USCIS website, they are suppose to process even the first week of Mar 2006 although the Aug VB says it is 01MAR06. I spoke to the second level IO and he was confident that my case would have to wait for the next month. I insisted that the uscis website says otherways, he went and verified with the third level (or his peer) and came back and told me that I was correct.
Infact told me that my case was pre-adjd and being reviewed by IO currently.
I am sure the same applies to you with the Sep VB. Good luck !!!
Note: This is not a legal advice and don't quote me on it.
Cool...This gives me some hope that my PD of May 8th will also be considered current from Sep 1.
I just got off the call from uscis regarding my I-485. My PD is in the first week of Mar 2006.
Per the USCIS website, they are suppose to process even the first week of Mar 2006 although the Aug VB says it is 01MAR06. I spoke to the second level IO and he was confident that my case would have to wait for the next month. I insisted that the uscis website says otherways, he went and verified with the third level (or his peer) and came back and told me that I was correct.
Infact told me that my case was pre-adjd and being reviewed by IO currently.
I am sure the same applies to you with the Sep VB. Good luck !!!
Note: This is not a legal advice and don't quote me on it.
Cool...This gives me some hope that my PD of May 8th will also be considered current from Sep 1.
kumarc123
06-12 01:47 PM
People I am trying to introduce the contents on a new thread
Pappu,
I appreciate your input, but IV members have been talking about numbers and numbers and numbers for last 2 years in a row.
What will the numbers reveal? I had been a regular blogger at IV, but I stopped coming up here because.
1. All talk and no Walk
2. New members come aboard, are rude and offer no pragmatic approach.
3. All these bloggers give ideas and critique each other.
4. What happened to the March1 09st rally in DC?
Why has IV not taken a pragmatic approach, don't take me wrong I respect what you have done and other approaches in the past. But IV is using same approach for a new problem, the end result-----Failure
I joined this community after july fiasco, and have kept close watch on dates, everyday members keep suggesting something or the other. I don't mind being a donor to IV or contributing little what I have, But I need to see some big movement and results.
I did all the stupid calling to congress senators
Did sending of letters to the White house
what was the result? If IV wants core members and new members to donate and be a part of something bigger than a website, then please initiate something big like a rally.
Just because their are less members to join, does not excuse a true purpose of a rally.
Some of core members of IV keep telling other members:
1. Join your local chapter
2. Be a donor,
I understand all this, but I as a visiting members and the people coming on here, want to see a true and real reason to be a part of IV and not just a website where immigrants come and breathe out their frusturations July Fiasco turned to be advantageous to a few members, but was a mistake for members like me and other members who could not file at that time.
Please prove me wrong and IV to be something more than a website, please initiate something big and real, and not just comments. I an aware of the achievements in the past, but it was past 3 years ago. For last three years immigrant's feelings have been played around too many times. Same old talks will not bring upon a change, SOMETHING BIG NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW BEFORE THE CIR BILL takes place. So people are more aware.
Show us IV core is more than words! Conduct something bigger that will attract new members and donors to this organization.
I as a professional can tell you all now--- passive movement, sending letters, long term planning with no actions will not help
People have left IV, who are so disheartened and believe this organization has lost its eedge and is all talk and no walk above all a money scam.
Prove them wrong and do something big, above all Practical
Pappu,
I appreciate your input, but IV members have been talking about numbers and numbers and numbers for last 2 years in a row.
What will the numbers reveal? I had been a regular blogger at IV, but I stopped coming up here because.
1. All talk and no Walk
2. New members come aboard, are rude and offer no pragmatic approach.
3. All these bloggers give ideas and critique each other.
4. What happened to the March1 09st rally in DC?
Why has IV not taken a pragmatic approach, don't take me wrong I respect what you have done and other approaches in the past. But IV is using same approach for a new problem, the end result-----Failure
I joined this community after july fiasco, and have kept close watch on dates, everyday members keep suggesting something or the other. I don't mind being a donor to IV or contributing little what I have, But I need to see some big movement and results.
I did all the stupid calling to congress senators
Did sending of letters to the White house
what was the result? If IV wants core members and new members to donate and be a part of something bigger than a website, then please initiate something big like a rally.
Just because their are less members to join, does not excuse a true purpose of a rally.
Some of core members of IV keep telling other members:
1. Join your local chapter
2. Be a donor,
I understand all this, but I as a visiting members and the people coming on here, want to see a true and real reason to be a part of IV and not just a website where immigrants come and breathe out their frusturations July Fiasco turned to be advantageous to a few members, but was a mistake for members like me and other members who could not file at that time.
Please prove me wrong and IV to be something more than a website, please initiate something big and real, and not just comments. I an aware of the achievements in the past, but it was past 3 years ago. For last three years immigrant's feelings have been played around too many times. Same old talks will not bring upon a change, SOMETHING BIG NEEDS TO BE DONE NOW BEFORE THE CIR BILL takes place. So people are more aware.
Show us IV core is more than words! Conduct something bigger that will attract new members and donors to this organization.
I as a professional can tell you all now--- passive movement, sending letters, long term planning with no actions will not help
People have left IV, who are so disheartened and believe this organization has lost its eedge and is all talk and no walk above all a money scam.
Prove them wrong and do something big, above all Practical
