ajay
01-18 11:27 AM
I definitely agree and I had similar experience first hand. I realized this when I went to renew my DL ..I had 2 consecutive EAD's in hand ..one expiring on 5th and the other starting from the 6th ..I asked the DL office to renew my license (I went there 1 week early) but they refused ..they wanted me to come on the next day and drive to the office on expired license ..no matter what I said ..they said sorry (not that courteous) ..I said "do I take a holiday just to renew on 6th" ..they said we don't care ..I said I have to drive on expired license and what if cop catches me ..they said "not our problem" ..talk to immigration people ..I said do you know how broken that is ....same attitude from my manager ..his reply ..well you guys decided to come to US..
soo I guess same thing will happen if u have immovable assets ..they will say ..well you shd have realized this before u bought something on a temporary status ..or in few words they will say "we don't care ..not our problem" !!!
Are there such people around? Sorry to hear your experience. And we don't have anything to defend ourselves here!!!
soo I guess same thing will happen if u have immovable assets ..they will say ..well you shd have realized this before u bought something on a temporary status ..or in few words they will say "we don't care ..not our problem" !!!
Are there such people around? Sorry to hear your experience. And we don't have anything to defend ourselves here!!!
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rpulipati
09-26 11:06 AM
I'm sorry if I sounded like a hypocrite. My interpretation was not to participate in FSB debate for PR visas as the debate was concentrated on H1-B visas.
I support H1-B's and please continue in the debate for H1-B's.
Actually, I think participating in the debate to present the other point of view (as in 'foreign workers are good for the US economy') is a good thing to do. Giving the forum out to the antis is a good way to make sure Durbin gets his message reaffirmed. Well, that's all true, unless you are one of those people who likes to yell 'Close the door!' right after they get in.
I support H1-B's and please continue in the debate for H1-B's.
Actually, I think participating in the debate to present the other point of view (as in 'foreign workers are good for the US economy') is a good thing to do. Giving the forum out to the antis is a good way to make sure Durbin gets his message reaffirmed. Well, that's all true, unless you are one of those people who likes to yell 'Close the door!' right after they get in.
ca_immigrant
07-13 11:18 AM
This is simply the explanation as to why will EB2 India get a huge number and not so much for EB2 China (so when year end statistics come out, there would not be too much noise about why EB2 India got several thousands of visa numbers more than any other category).
Indication that EB2 India will get huge numbers...this is just explanation as to why:)
be ready next month my friend.
-:)
Indication that EB2 India will get huge numbers...this is just explanation as to why:)
be ready next month my friend.
-:)
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walker15
09-10 03:28 PM
Still HR5882 not yet tabled, please stay tuned I will update whatever is happening.
Still they are discussing HR6020(Illegal Alien left over at Iraq while on duty :)) and it looks like this will drag a bit. So Rep. Zoe Lofgren is fighting for that family.
Hope there will be sufficient time to discuss HR5882.
Still they are discussing HR6020(Illegal Alien left over at Iraq while on duty :)) and it looks like this will drag a bit. So Rep. Zoe Lofgren is fighting for that family.
Hope there will be sufficient time to discuss HR5882.
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shyamkishore
02-07 07:05 PM
My Dear IV Members,
I would like to open up my house for IV members during the advocacy days. I live in Herndon, VA about 25 miles from DC. I can accommodate up to 3 or 4 members if they can manage. DC is pretty much commutable from my house using the public transport.
Due to my work situation at present I am not sure if I will be able to participate actively. But I will be trying my best to at least make it for a day.
Regards,
Shyam
I would like to open up my house for IV members during the advocacy days. I live in Herndon, VA about 25 miles from DC. I can accommodate up to 3 or 4 members if they can manage. DC is pretty much commutable from my house using the public transport.
Due to my work situation at present I am not sure if I will be able to participate actively. But I will be trying my best to at least make it for a day.
Regards,
Shyam
ilikekilo
03-10 12:45 AM
what a shame!!!!!!!!1 Bleep bleep!!!
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abcdefgh
01-17 02:25 PM
Just on a positive note of contribution thread and efforts, I just wanted to raise a voice whether we have put enough effort in reaching and notifying members about contribution and retrogression awareness. Not from any side, I see IV's efforts are less but question still arise is "Have we put enough effort in reaching to members about contribution?" Pardon me if I am being too pushy on our contribution initiative. But as I understand to sell an idea, we need to be real pushy. Please post any idea which require volunteer work to reach the members and ask them contribute. I am open to work on it.
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Slumdog
01-16 03:33 PM
For most of you this country has given everything you ever dreamt of & yes it is only possible in USA in short span of time but I want every member here to ask yourself one question. i.e Do you have peace of mind? I want to share with you half a day of my life as an immigrant here. I guess for some my story is not a big deal & for others they feel they are in my shoes. It�s quite lengthy for half a day story, so please read on if you have patience & time.
January xx/xx/2009
It�s 5:10 Am and I had to forcefully get out of my bed after 3 snoozes ( the fact is 4th snooze my wife will kick me out of bed anyways) . While walking out of the bed I was jealous of my wife that she need not get up early & go to work as we recently had a baby & she had to leave the job as she was under contract on EAD & not full time. As soon as I came out of shower I was feeling very fresh , energetic & was already planning my day schedule at work while I was getting ready.
6:00 AM: I am all dressed up for work & while I am already late for my train & taking quick bites of breakfast , I ran upstairs to my bed room to give a goodbye kiss to my wife & daughter. While kissing my daughter I just wanted to stare at her for some more time but had to leave as I was late. & ran back to garage & started my car & zoooommmmmm. I know the back routes to station & I know police wont catch me even if I am speeding ( I was going 65mph in 30 mph zone ). While I was already half way to station I realized & said to myself NOT AGAIN ( I did not turn off lights in the house & this really pisses of my wife ) I forgot to Switch off in the bath room, upstairs corridor, stiars, main hall, kitchen,. I left lights on literally everywhere including garage except the 3 bed rooms.
6:20AM : Reached the station, parked the car & while I knew there is only 2 min left before I miss the train , I ran to newspaper walla bought the newspaper & literally ran on escalator & just got in the train & the door closed behind me. I guess this happens atleast 2-3 times a week & hey I think I got used to it.
Once I am in the train I had relax for 5 min to to take breath from running on escalators & then I read the headlines & said nyah same old stuff which was showed at 9PM news last night & didn�t bother to read any more , I opened up business edition & completed & it was frustrating to see that DOW tumbled gain, forclosure on rise, no hopes for good market in 2009 blah blah blah blah blah & then I closed my eyes & started day dreaming about my daughter, her cute smile & thinking about my upcoming trip to india as it will be the first time I am visiting after my baby was born. Just when I though I was falling into sweet dreams I heard this announcement from train operator � Abhey salla utto , tumahara station aagya, jaakey kuch kaam kar� I will translate this in English for non indians ( good morning ladies & gentlemen you have reached station �xyz� & Thank you for riding with us & we wish to see you again�)
6:56 Am: As soon as I am out of station the first place I go is starbucks, & get a non fat grande mocha with 2% extra hot no foam with little bit of honey & cinnamon. ( KIDDING , I just take plain regular coffee with room ). The first sip is amazing it feels like first cigg after a bottle of beer & started walking to my office which is very close to station.
7:00Am: I am in office. Usually it is just me & couple of other guys on the floor at that time. The office was silent & it was open floor plan with flat cubicles & you see the entire floor even if you sit at your desk. Logged into PC & checked my emails & getting prepared for the days work.
7:10Am: I saw one of the senior manager in office & it is very unusal for him to come so early into the office. While I wished him good morning he didn�t seemed to respond the way he usually does. He then walked up to one of the office colleague in different department next to me & asked him if he could come to his office.
7:15Am: The guy walks out of the office along with manager with packet in his hand & started packing his stuff right away. I could see that his computer is still logged in & I guess he was not even allowed to log off. The manager stands behind him, occasionally helps him in his packing & walks him out of the door, into the elevator & outside the building. That�s it, my heart started beating heavily, I said to my self �today is the day� . Yes by now you all know what I was talking about !!! LAYOFFS�
The talks have been going for several days & no one except top senior executives knew who & how many people will be laid off. Everyone I talk to in the company is worried, it did not matter if he was senior, working in company since 10 years, experienced , the best technical guy, the most lovable guy, the CEO�s blue eyed boy, every one & I mean almost everyone is worried about their job. I did not know how I was going to handle even though I was prepared before for the worst. But when the time actually came , it�s different, first time I felt I was weak because of the things below which are going in mind.
� I bought a house just few months back, although great deal at the time I bought I had to invest 15% down payment & at that time never ever knew that this day would come. I always thought I could resell it but when I contacted my mortgage broker few days back , he told me that market was so slow that I wont be even getting the 15% down payment if I plan to sell now. With most of my hard earned savings in the house I am only left with couple of grand for reserves.
� The biggest worry I had was 10 days after my daughter was born she was hospitalized for almost a month for complex partial seizures treatment .She has since been in medication & was doing good & slowly outgrowing seizures with occasional episodes. We can�t stop the treatment & thinking of expensive Cobra package & not knowing how many months we will be jobless made me sick.
� How do I invoke AC21 & how many much should I be paying Lawyers?
� My upcoming trip to india, we already spend close to 5k for the tickets & cancelling the tickets is impossible due to family reasons. What if I loose a job now & go on trip to india? Can I enter back on Advance parole? What if the port of entry finds out that I lost a job, will be I allowed in when I come back? Will my company cancel current approved I140? & will that lead to I485 cancellations which has been happening recently ??
� What will happen to my car loans & upcoming car registration, insurance.
Not that I don�t have any money in reserves but these are very few things I mentioned above that bothered me & list can go on & on. Is it easy pack all the bags & leave everything behind? Yes if you want to & NO if you want to fight, it�s as simple as that & I did not plan to leave. So let�s go back to what happened for the rest of the day & believe me all the above points I mentioned was going in my mind in less than a minute, so now the time is �
7:16Am: I saw one other manager in the same process in different dept doing the exact same process. Remember, above somewhere I said that it is a open floor plan & everyone can see everything what is happening. Though I am not shaken from outside, inside I feel every inch of it.
Part II Continuation below.......
January xx/xx/2009
It�s 5:10 Am and I had to forcefully get out of my bed after 3 snoozes ( the fact is 4th snooze my wife will kick me out of bed anyways) . While walking out of the bed I was jealous of my wife that she need not get up early & go to work as we recently had a baby & she had to leave the job as she was under contract on EAD & not full time. As soon as I came out of shower I was feeling very fresh , energetic & was already planning my day schedule at work while I was getting ready.
6:00 AM: I am all dressed up for work & while I am already late for my train & taking quick bites of breakfast , I ran upstairs to my bed room to give a goodbye kiss to my wife & daughter. While kissing my daughter I just wanted to stare at her for some more time but had to leave as I was late. & ran back to garage & started my car & zoooommmmmm. I know the back routes to station & I know police wont catch me even if I am speeding ( I was going 65mph in 30 mph zone ). While I was already half way to station I realized & said to myself NOT AGAIN ( I did not turn off lights in the house & this really pisses of my wife ) I forgot to Switch off in the bath room, upstairs corridor, stiars, main hall, kitchen,. I left lights on literally everywhere including garage except the 3 bed rooms.
6:20AM : Reached the station, parked the car & while I knew there is only 2 min left before I miss the train , I ran to newspaper walla bought the newspaper & literally ran on escalator & just got in the train & the door closed behind me. I guess this happens atleast 2-3 times a week & hey I think I got used to it.
Once I am in the train I had relax for 5 min to to take breath from running on escalators & then I read the headlines & said nyah same old stuff which was showed at 9PM news last night & didn�t bother to read any more , I opened up business edition & completed & it was frustrating to see that DOW tumbled gain, forclosure on rise, no hopes for good market in 2009 blah blah blah blah blah & then I closed my eyes & started day dreaming about my daughter, her cute smile & thinking about my upcoming trip to india as it will be the first time I am visiting after my baby was born. Just when I though I was falling into sweet dreams I heard this announcement from train operator � Abhey salla utto , tumahara station aagya, jaakey kuch kaam kar� I will translate this in English for non indians ( good morning ladies & gentlemen you have reached station �xyz� & Thank you for riding with us & we wish to see you again�)
6:56 Am: As soon as I am out of station the first place I go is starbucks, & get a non fat grande mocha with 2% extra hot no foam with little bit of honey & cinnamon. ( KIDDING , I just take plain regular coffee with room ). The first sip is amazing it feels like first cigg after a bottle of beer & started walking to my office which is very close to station.
7:00Am: I am in office. Usually it is just me & couple of other guys on the floor at that time. The office was silent & it was open floor plan with flat cubicles & you see the entire floor even if you sit at your desk. Logged into PC & checked my emails & getting prepared for the days work.
7:10Am: I saw one of the senior manager in office & it is very unusal for him to come so early into the office. While I wished him good morning he didn�t seemed to respond the way he usually does. He then walked up to one of the office colleague in different department next to me & asked him if he could come to his office.
7:15Am: The guy walks out of the office along with manager with packet in his hand & started packing his stuff right away. I could see that his computer is still logged in & I guess he was not even allowed to log off. The manager stands behind him, occasionally helps him in his packing & walks him out of the door, into the elevator & outside the building. That�s it, my heart started beating heavily, I said to my self �today is the day� . Yes by now you all know what I was talking about !!! LAYOFFS�
The talks have been going for several days & no one except top senior executives knew who & how many people will be laid off. Everyone I talk to in the company is worried, it did not matter if he was senior, working in company since 10 years, experienced , the best technical guy, the most lovable guy, the CEO�s blue eyed boy, every one & I mean almost everyone is worried about their job. I did not know how I was going to handle even though I was prepared before for the worst. But when the time actually came , it�s different, first time I felt I was weak because of the things below which are going in mind.
� I bought a house just few months back, although great deal at the time I bought I had to invest 15% down payment & at that time never ever knew that this day would come. I always thought I could resell it but when I contacted my mortgage broker few days back , he told me that market was so slow that I wont be even getting the 15% down payment if I plan to sell now. With most of my hard earned savings in the house I am only left with couple of grand for reserves.
� The biggest worry I had was 10 days after my daughter was born she was hospitalized for almost a month for complex partial seizures treatment .She has since been in medication & was doing good & slowly outgrowing seizures with occasional episodes. We can�t stop the treatment & thinking of expensive Cobra package & not knowing how many months we will be jobless made me sick.
� How do I invoke AC21 & how many much should I be paying Lawyers?
� My upcoming trip to india, we already spend close to 5k for the tickets & cancelling the tickets is impossible due to family reasons. What if I loose a job now & go on trip to india? Can I enter back on Advance parole? What if the port of entry finds out that I lost a job, will be I allowed in when I come back? Will my company cancel current approved I140? & will that lead to I485 cancellations which has been happening recently ??
� What will happen to my car loans & upcoming car registration, insurance.
Not that I don�t have any money in reserves but these are very few things I mentioned above that bothered me & list can go on & on. Is it easy pack all the bags & leave everything behind? Yes if you want to & NO if you want to fight, it�s as simple as that & I did not plan to leave. So let�s go back to what happened for the rest of the day & believe me all the above points I mentioned was going in my mind in less than a minute, so now the time is �
7:16Am: I saw one other manager in the same process in different dept doing the exact same process. Remember, above somewhere I said that it is a open floor plan & everyone can see everything what is happening. Though I am not shaken from outside, inside I feel every inch of it.
Part II Continuation below.......
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amitjoey
07-03 04:17 PM
Thanks titu1972, mhb, sbindval, gsc999, tapukakababa, divakarr for your contributions.
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ps57002
09-19 03:52 PM
I checked LIV.org, this domain name is available for sale....we need to see if we can get this.....
I like it cause it sounds like "Live life"...and we want to live as well and not be stuck in limbo of this process for GC.
I like it cause it sounds like "Live life"...and we want to live as well and not be stuck in limbo of this process for GC.
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texanmom
09-26 11:40 AM
Please deluge both the author (Eilene Zimmerman) and the editor with emails pointing out the misrepresentation of IV's agenda.
Using words like 'defamatory' , "unethical reporting" and 'misrepresentation' catches their attention since they are always afraid of law suits.
Using words like 'defamatory' , "unethical reporting" and 'misrepresentation' catches their attention since they are always afraid of law suits.
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kshitijnt
07-13 07:53 PM
Guys:
Atleast appreciate the letter she has written. Maybe you are not satisfied by attorney Murthy and she has not done enough for you. But here she is adding to the voice for immigrants. Something is better than nothing!!!
Atleast appreciate the letter she has written. Maybe you are not satisfied by attorney Murthy and she has not done enough for you. But here she is adding to the voice for immigrants. Something is better than nothing!!!
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uma001
10-01 10:04 AM
Although they promise a lot of things on paper, we generally skip reading the fine print. Fine print generally would include this clause (language will be a bit different)...
Same thing in company's point of view, if they invest in endless lawyer fees, filing fees, humongous paperwork and easily these days GC process take 5-35 years and during/after this time, What is the guarantee that you will still stick with the company - after all this investment of time & money? Companies need visible & predictable ROIs.
It is the age of cost cutting. If you don't like it, just quit it & start a company on your own and show them how to run it by sponsoring GCs left & right.
f your skills are in high demand, they will make you the king. If supply is high for your skills, they will go for someone cheaper..
Green card processing costs only $12000 max..Its not a big deal for such big companies.They just dont want to do the favor.
getting green card itself takes min 10 years. so you r going to stick on to this company until that time. is that not a gaurantee. working for 10 years with same company.
you know y consulting companies file green card immediately. they do that becos the employee will stay with the company for a while.American companies do not realize this.
one of my friend came back to compny as a consultant. now they are paying two times more than what they were oaying him as full time employee. is that not an expense to the company...why they r paying him that much now , instead they should have filed his green card.
Same thing in company's point of view, if they invest in endless lawyer fees, filing fees, humongous paperwork and easily these days GC process take 5-35 years and during/after this time, What is the guarantee that you will still stick with the company - after all this investment of time & money? Companies need visible & predictable ROIs.
It is the age of cost cutting. If you don't like it, just quit it & start a company on your own and show them how to run it by sponsoring GCs left & right.
f your skills are in high demand, they will make you the king. If supply is high for your skills, they will go for someone cheaper..
Green card processing costs only $12000 max..Its not a big deal for such big companies.They just dont want to do the favor.
getting green card itself takes min 10 years. so you r going to stick on to this company until that time. is that not a gaurantee. working for 10 years with same company.
you know y consulting companies file green card immediately. they do that becos the employee will stay with the company for a while.American companies do not realize this.
one of my friend came back to compny as a consultant. now they are paying two times more than what they were oaying him as full time employee. is that not an expense to the company...why they r paying him that much now , instead they should have filed his green card.
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Tito_ortiz
02-13 03:56 PM
His views are distorted.
Can Americans go to India on H1B or similar visa to get work? No? Well, so think about it.
Can Americans go to India on H1B or similar visa to get work? No? Well, so think about it.
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laborchic
09-12 11:06 AM
So many people in NJ Thread... How many are coming for the rallly....
Please forrward the Businessweek article to everyone.. This may give us a good bump in increasing the attendance..
Please forrward the Businessweek article to everyone.. This may give us a good bump in increasing the attendance..
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go_guy123
09-09 02:33 PM
Sadly true. Our hope is STEM exemption and Visa recapture and both of them will get little political help till elections. After the elections, the political arena will definitely be different with some Republicans replacing the Democrats in the House and any immigration related bill will result in a much tougher battle.
SKIL will NEVER see light of day so long there is the "pandering to illegals" democratic party is there in control of agenda. Under GOP there is atleast some better chance
of piecemeal and therefore SKIL bill has some chance.
SKIL will NEVER see light of day so long there is the "pandering to illegals" democratic party is there in control of agenda. Under GOP there is atleast some better chance
of piecemeal and therefore SKIL bill has some chance.
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eb3India
06-12 03:12 PM
why should anyone now listen to Bush, he just a lameduck at this point and don't bring his war funding victory, they just did'nt have any other choice but support brave soldiers and Bush know that
My point is CIR starts and ends with illegal immigration our reforms are just a sideeffect which may or may not happen.
what we need is a new stratergy which address our issues again I repeat our issue only, which means no H1B increase, just a system reform which ends retrogession.
for which we don't need any law change, we need someone to held accountable for USCIS wasting as many as 40K visas, Everyone in this country is accountable and letz use it
My point is CIR starts and ends with illegal immigration our reforms are just a sideeffect which may or may not happen.
what we need is a new stratergy which address our issues again I repeat our issue only, which means no H1B increase, just a system reform which ends retrogession.
for which we don't need any law change, we need someone to held accountable for USCIS wasting as many as 40K visas, Everyone in this country is accountable and letz use it
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Morty
08-07 02:55 PM
Application Type: I485, APPLICATION TO REGISTER PERMANENT RESIDENCE OR TO ADJUST STATUS
Current Status: Notice mailed welcoming the new permanent resident.
On August 7, 2008, we mailed you a notice that we had registered this customer's new permanent resident status. Please follow any instructions on the notice. Your new permanent resident card should be mailed within 60 days following this registration or after you complete any ADIT processing referred to in the welcome notice, whichever is later. If you move before you get your new card call customer service. You can also receive automatic e-mail updates as we process your case. Just follow the link below to register.
PD: July 2004
RD: July 3rd 2007
ND: Sept 12th 2007
I-140 Approved May 2007
Service Center: NSC
Name check: Pending (when I had infopass a week ago)
Thanks guys. I wish every one good luck, and I am going to contribute my advise, and suggestions.
I opended SR 3 weeks ago, On Monday I used POJ method to talk to IO. She said, my case has been assigned to officer. Today got this status updated.
Congrats Myvoice23. Enjoy the new found freedom.
I tried to contact IO using POJ method(as from your profile) but the call landed at USCIS customer service. The lady checked and said the current processing time is one month behind my notice date and she cannot do any thing at this time. She asked me to call when the processing time is past my notice date so that she can open SR.
Current Status: Notice mailed welcoming the new permanent resident.
On August 7, 2008, we mailed you a notice that we had registered this customer's new permanent resident status. Please follow any instructions on the notice. Your new permanent resident card should be mailed within 60 days following this registration or after you complete any ADIT processing referred to in the welcome notice, whichever is later. If you move before you get your new card call customer service. You can also receive automatic e-mail updates as we process your case. Just follow the link below to register.
PD: July 2004
RD: July 3rd 2007
ND: Sept 12th 2007
I-140 Approved May 2007
Service Center: NSC
Name check: Pending (when I had infopass a week ago)
Thanks guys. I wish every one good luck, and I am going to contribute my advise, and suggestions.
I opended SR 3 weeks ago, On Monday I used POJ method to talk to IO. She said, my case has been assigned to officer. Today got this status updated.
Congrats Myvoice23. Enjoy the new found freedom.
I tried to contact IO using POJ method(as from your profile) but the call landed at USCIS customer service. The lady checked and said the current processing time is one month behind my notice date and she cannot do any thing at this time. She asked me to call when the processing time is past my notice date so that she can open SR.
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prem_goel
07-12 08:15 PM
Spillover happens quarterly, but the visas are allocated in the last quarter! This is because the retrogressed countries are allocated their regular quota every quarter and the extra visas must be allocated based on the priority date, irrespective of the country! It would be difficult to allocate in the earlier quarters to achieve this!
So looking at the demand data used for determining Aug bulletin,
http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/EmploymentDemandUsedForCutOffDates.pdf
how far do you think it'll progress next month?
So looking at the demand data used for determining Aug bulletin,
http://www.travel.state.gov/pdf/EmploymentDemandUsedForCutOffDates.pdf
how far do you think it'll progress next month?
spicy_guy
08-11 05:57 PM
Again, as I mentioned, we are jumping all over the board with different ideas and opinions. This leads to no where. Someone who has good understanding of USCIS / DOS / Govt procedures should come up with an agenda and move forward from there. We'll need to work with IV leadership team too. (At this time, I don't think they are even looking into this effort, as understandably they have other goals in hand). However, we should approach them with concrete plan of action.
Everyone is willing to Donate $$$. But for what? What are we going to spend that money on?
We need focused efforts.
Lets join hands and maybe the OP can take the lead in preparing the agenda / plan of action.
What say you guys?
Bottom line: I believe we can do! Of course, we need to procure support from multiple sources like some of the ideas mentioned by the posters CompleteAmerica, Talking to senators on Aug 15th, etc.
Everyone is willing to Donate $$$. But for what? What are we going to spend that money on?
We need focused efforts.
Lets join hands and maybe the OP can take the lead in preparing the agenda / plan of action.
What say you guys?
Bottom line: I believe we can do! Of course, we need to procure support from multiple sources like some of the ideas mentioned by the posters CompleteAmerica, Talking to senators on Aug 15th, etc.
gccovet
03-09 12:26 PM
No movement for EB2-I just 15 days forward for EB3-I
This sux
GCCOvet
This sux
GCCOvet
