xela
02-13 02:57 PM
What ever gave you the idea that EB ROW only wait for 3 years? There's this common misconception flying around here that somehow ROW just cruises by
YEs all the people I know around me are ROW EB3 and PDs 2002 and 2003 and no GC, so please stop thinking we have it so good!
With regard to the per country limit.....there is only one for the first 3 quaters and it seems like in the last couple of times in the last quater India and Chine and maybe Phillipines did end up getting more GCs than their per country limit, at least I was so informed by my lawyers.
Besides that, immigration is a privilege not a right, so if the US wants diversity and limit per country immigration, it is their right to do so. Before you start being shocked by this, I am NOT saying I do not understand your frustration and the feeling you discriminated against, but rights are rights and we knew that before we started the process. If we can improve it great, if we can't we will just have to deal with it realisticly.
Some EU countries are doing the exact same thing by the way.
I do believe in diversity in any way and shape, and I do not stand for discrimination. I am just trying to face the reality.
I also have days when I wonder about leaving my own country which provided me with a wonderful education and how I am taking away from that country by leaving for my own success? if you don't have days when you feel guilty good for you.
take care
YEs all the people I know around me are ROW EB3 and PDs 2002 and 2003 and no GC, so please stop thinking we have it so good!
With regard to the per country limit.....there is only one for the first 3 quaters and it seems like in the last couple of times in the last quater India and Chine and maybe Phillipines did end up getting more GCs than their per country limit, at least I was so informed by my lawyers.
Besides that, immigration is a privilege not a right, so if the US wants diversity and limit per country immigration, it is their right to do so. Before you start being shocked by this, I am NOT saying I do not understand your frustration and the feeling you discriminated against, but rights are rights and we knew that before we started the process. If we can improve it great, if we can't we will just have to deal with it realisticly.
Some EU countries are doing the exact same thing by the way.
I do believe in diversity in any way and shape, and I do not stand for discrimination. I am just trying to face the reality.
I also have days when I wonder about leaving my own country which provided me with a wonderful education and how I am taking away from that country by leaving for my own success? if you don't have days when you feel guilty good for you.
take care
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thomachan72
03-28 09:49 AM
I just now posted that how no one mentioned Dr. JayaprakashNarayan. Well someone did mention.
I guess that's not enough. There are lot of people who are not aware of this great leader.We need to spread the word about LokSatta.
Listened to him and here are my thoughts:
Pros
1) Great idea about getting everybody involved in politics
2) Is certainly not an emotional man but rather with great convictions and integrity
Cons
1) Seems to somehow promote atleast sublimly that marksist/communist are better
The last thing we want in India is a marksist/communist movement. Right from the begining (first govt after independence) our prosperity has always been guided by a socialistic but increasingly capitalistic aproach. I wish he realizes that and focus more on political correctness rather than promote communism/socialism.
WE DONT WANT COMMUNISM/SOCIALISM IN INDIA. THESE PARTIES ARE ANTIDEVELOPMENT AND ANTIPROSPERITY. THEY WANT EVERYBODY TO BE POOOR, LAZY AND WITHOUT ANY PERSONAL FREEDOM. EVERYTHING IS FOR THE PARTY AND BY THE PARTY. INDIVIDUALITY DOESN'T EXIST.
I guess that's not enough. There are lot of people who are not aware of this great leader.We need to spread the word about LokSatta.
Listened to him and here are my thoughts:
Pros
1) Great idea about getting everybody involved in politics
2) Is certainly not an emotional man but rather with great convictions and integrity
Cons
1) Seems to somehow promote atleast sublimly that marksist/communist are better
The last thing we want in India is a marksist/communist movement. Right from the begining (first govt after independence) our prosperity has always been guided by a socialistic but increasingly capitalistic aproach. I wish he realizes that and focus more on political correctness rather than promote communism/socialism.
WE DONT WANT COMMUNISM/SOCIALISM IN INDIA. THESE PARTIES ARE ANTIDEVELOPMENT AND ANTIPROSPERITY. THEY WANT EVERYBODY TO BE POOOR, LAZY AND WITHOUT ANY PERSONAL FREEDOM. EVERYTHING IS FOR THE PARTY AND BY THE PARTY. INDIVIDUALITY DOESN'T EXIST.
s_r_e_e
09-23 10:20 PM
I will send from the Bussiness Email ID tomorrow.
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abracadabra102
09-04 10:10 AM
breddy2000,
You see YSR is in high point, as for you corruption, blood politics, mafia by him are no big deal and normal. What should I say? You are better fit to immigrate to Somalia, Afghanistan or Colombia.
Every one does that, is that a reason. You claim that you are not a supporter of any one. If that is the case then give due credit where required and criticize and condemn when it�s appropriate.
As posted by abracadabra102 YSR exactly fits for "No better friend, No worse enemy" and in due course he amassed illegal wealth, corruption and killings.
His death is the reason this thread is here, living or dead facts are facts and yes Good Riddance that he is no more.
Yes, will do whatever I can, humbly. In fact it is India�s citizens that are forcing these politicians to implement effective policy not the other way where people are living and enjoying an effective system.
I do not think you understood the meaning of my words correctly.
If you are a friend of YSR, you won't find a better friend than him and he will go out of way to help you. If you are his enemy, be prepared for consequences. This is also the motto of US Army and its origin is attributed to what a famous roman general once said of himself.
"No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full"
YSR is a very successfull CM. He delivered what mattered most to the poor people. Some other states like Tamilnadu are introducing some of his schemes like Rajiv arogyashree. More than 30 people died after learning that he is dead. Very few people can inspire that kind of reverence and affection. He may have his short comings but he achieved more than most can dream of.
It is silly to quote corruption every time you discuss politicians. Show me any major politician of consequence who did not face corruption charges at some time or the other. It is always present in one form or the other since the beginning of politics. We are all watching what is happening with healthcare reform bill here and how powerfull insurance industry is influencing it's outcome.
And who is making these allegations? Surprise, opposition parties and some sections of media that are opposed to him.
His death is definitely a loss to the state. We need competition among politicians and that competition existed between YSR and Babu and I like both of them. Between the two, I think AP progressed overall.
You see YSR is in high point, as for you corruption, blood politics, mafia by him are no big deal and normal. What should I say? You are better fit to immigrate to Somalia, Afghanistan or Colombia.
Every one does that, is that a reason. You claim that you are not a supporter of any one. If that is the case then give due credit where required and criticize and condemn when it�s appropriate.
As posted by abracadabra102 YSR exactly fits for "No better friend, No worse enemy" and in due course he amassed illegal wealth, corruption and killings.
His death is the reason this thread is here, living or dead facts are facts and yes Good Riddance that he is no more.
Yes, will do whatever I can, humbly. In fact it is India�s citizens that are forcing these politicians to implement effective policy not the other way where people are living and enjoying an effective system.
I do not think you understood the meaning of my words correctly.
If you are a friend of YSR, you won't find a better friend than him and he will go out of way to help you. If you are his enemy, be prepared for consequences. This is also the motto of US Army and its origin is attributed to what a famous roman general once said of himself.
"No friend ever served me, and no enemy ever wronged me, whom I have not repaid in full"
YSR is a very successfull CM. He delivered what mattered most to the poor people. Some other states like Tamilnadu are introducing some of his schemes like Rajiv arogyashree. More than 30 people died after learning that he is dead. Very few people can inspire that kind of reverence and affection. He may have his short comings but he achieved more than most can dream of.
It is silly to quote corruption every time you discuss politicians. Show me any major politician of consequence who did not face corruption charges at some time or the other. It is always present in one form or the other since the beginning of politics. We are all watching what is happening with healthcare reform bill here and how powerfull insurance industry is influencing it's outcome.
And who is making these allegations? Surprise, opposition parties and some sections of media that are opposed to him.
His death is definitely a loss to the state. We need competition among politicians and that competition existed between YSR and Babu and I like both of them. Between the two, I think AP progressed overall.
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chanduv23
09-04 10:09 AM
Corruption, particularly in India, is like a software, which only gets better with every release. YSR took the corruption to a level unknown till now, I bet he'd put lalloo to shame. What development are you talking about. Don't you hear increase in inflation, or farmers suicide or land grabbing. If you haven't visited Hyderabad recently, you better do it soon, else by the time you visit next time you won't see hussain saagar, but a few multiplxes or luxury homes instead. I'm sure in the next release (read CB Naidu becoming CM), he might take it to a whole new level.
THE DOMINATING EVIL OF BLACK MONEY.
In the case of India, recent estimates of INDIAN (BLACK) MONEY outside India (in Countries like SWITZERLAND, )reached Rs.7.5 Million Crores (About US$1,500 Billion). Laying hands on this (Black) money is not in the power of the Indian Government.
Black Money circulating inside India appears to be no lesser in quantity than the outside component mentioned above.
Black money and corruption that can spread into the hitherto respected institutions like Judiciary, the Army, and the Bureaucracy in India may, one day, by moral degradation lead to a failed state. Black Money lends free access to the Criminal, Antinational, and Antisocial elements going beyond the control of the laws in place.
To-day�s civilized world has accepted the phenomenon of hiding money in Swiss Banks as �NOT ILLEGAL� obviously because the CREAM OF SOCIETY in the world owns that money. ��..
Government of India is not able to help honest, sincere tax payers particularly middle class families in the matter of providing quality Education, Healthcare for their families at reasonable cost. Education and Medical have become Biggest Money spinning businesses in India now. One has to shell out Rs. 30 to 50 Lakhs for a MBBS seat and about Rs. 5 to Rs.10 Lakhs for an Engineering seat in good colleges. How can middle class people can pay this money?. They are deprived of good education though, they pay taxes honestly and sincerely to government. It is really unfortunate. For people who have block money, these things do not matter
If you have to do business in India, IN ADDITION TO ALL THE OFFICIAL TAXES MENTIONED, LOT OF BRIBES ARE TO BE GIVEN ALMOST TO EVERY DEPARTMENT IN CITY (CORPORATION), STATE (PROVINCE), AND ALSO CENTRAL GOVERNMENTS. Some examples are: Police, Municipal officials, Electricity depat.officials, weights& measures inspector, Rowdies & Goondas, Political contributions, Subscriptions/Donations to RELIGIOUS GURUS ETC.
ALL MOST ALL THE CORRUPT OFFICIALS ARE CALLLED "PARTNERS IN BUSINESS WITHOUT CAPITAL AND COMMITMENT BUT FORCEBLY TAKE A PART OF PROFITS OF BUSINESS".
"CORRUPTION IS A WAY OF LIFE IN BUSINESS"
If you have to run a big company, you have to bribe many more officials. For some type of officials, WHO DO NOT TAKE CASH AS BRIBE, "GIFTS" ARE BEING GIVEN (GOLD, DRY FRUITS, VEHICLE DROPS, GUEST HOUSES ETC.) ON VARIOUS OCCATIONS, FESTIVALS ETC. ANY THING CAN BE DONE EVEN IN TIRUMALA TEMPLE, EDUCAIONAL INSTITUTIONS, MEDICAL PROFESSION WHICH ARE CONSIDERED TO BE HOLY PROFESSIONS.
THE AMOUNT TO BE GIVEN AS "BRIBE" IN BURIAL YARD(S) IN INDIA, WHEN A PERSON DIE, FOR BURNING THE BODY, FOR GETTING DEATH CERTIFICATE, (THESE ARE IN ADDITION TO OFFICIAL FEES PAID TO MUNICIPALIIES FOR BURNING THE BODY FOR FIRE WOOD ETC.). The amount to be spend after death in India now comes to Lakhs of Rupees for doing all types of cermonies, merging ashes in Ganga at Varanasi and other holy places, giving gifts/charities to pandits, giving advertisements in newspapers, arranging feasts BHOJANALU to thousands of people (so called relatives), friends. This is in addition to LARGE SUMS OF MONEY PAID TO DOCTORS FOR SO CALLED CURING OF SICKNESS.
In many cases, many middle class people becomes BEGGERS/PAUPERS after getting into hospitals, nursing homes etc. just before dyeing.
THE DOMINATING EVIL OF BLACK MONEY.
In the case of India, recent estimates of INDIAN (BLACK) MONEY outside India (in Countries like SWITZERLAND, )reached Rs.7.5 Million Crores (About US$1,500 Billion). Laying hands on this (Black) money is not in the power of the Indian Government.
Black Money circulating inside India appears to be no lesser in quantity than the outside component mentioned above.
Black money and corruption that can spread into the hitherto respected institutions like Judiciary, the Army, and the Bureaucracy in India may, one day, by moral degradation lead to a failed state. Black Money lends free access to the Criminal, Antinational, and Antisocial elements going beyond the control of the laws in place.
To-day�s civilized world has accepted the phenomenon of hiding money in Swiss Banks as �NOT ILLEGAL� obviously because the CREAM OF SOCIETY in the world owns that money. ��..
Government of India is not able to help honest, sincere tax payers particularly middle class families in the matter of providing quality Education, Healthcare for their families at reasonable cost. Education and Medical have become Biggest Money spinning businesses in India now. One has to shell out Rs. 30 to 50 Lakhs for a MBBS seat and about Rs. 5 to Rs.10 Lakhs for an Engineering seat in good colleges. How can middle class people can pay this money?. They are deprived of good education though, they pay taxes honestly and sincerely to government. It is really unfortunate. For people who have block money, these things do not matter
If you have to do business in India, IN ADDITION TO ALL THE OFFICIAL TAXES MENTIONED, LOT OF BRIBES ARE TO BE GIVEN ALMOST TO EVERY DEPARTMENT IN CITY (CORPORATION), STATE (PROVINCE), AND ALSO CENTRAL GOVERNMENTS. Some examples are: Police, Municipal officials, Electricity depat.officials, weights& measures inspector, Rowdies & Goondas, Political contributions, Subscriptions/Donations to RELIGIOUS GURUS ETC.
ALL MOST ALL THE CORRUPT OFFICIALS ARE CALLLED "PARTNERS IN BUSINESS WITHOUT CAPITAL AND COMMITMENT BUT FORCEBLY TAKE A PART OF PROFITS OF BUSINESS".
"CORRUPTION IS A WAY OF LIFE IN BUSINESS"
If you have to run a big company, you have to bribe many more officials. For some type of officials, WHO DO NOT TAKE CASH AS BRIBE, "GIFTS" ARE BEING GIVEN (GOLD, DRY FRUITS, VEHICLE DROPS, GUEST HOUSES ETC.) ON VARIOUS OCCATIONS, FESTIVALS ETC. ANY THING CAN BE DONE EVEN IN TIRUMALA TEMPLE, EDUCAIONAL INSTITUTIONS, MEDICAL PROFESSION WHICH ARE CONSIDERED TO BE HOLY PROFESSIONS.
THE AMOUNT TO BE GIVEN AS "BRIBE" IN BURIAL YARD(S) IN INDIA, WHEN A PERSON DIE, FOR BURNING THE BODY, FOR GETTING DEATH CERTIFICATE, (THESE ARE IN ADDITION TO OFFICIAL FEES PAID TO MUNICIPALIIES FOR BURNING THE BODY FOR FIRE WOOD ETC.). The amount to be spend after death in India now comes to Lakhs of Rupees for doing all types of cermonies, merging ashes in Ganga at Varanasi and other holy places, giving gifts/charities to pandits, giving advertisements in newspapers, arranging feasts BHOJANALU to thousands of people (so called relatives), friends. This is in addition to LARGE SUMS OF MONEY PAID TO DOCTORS FOR SO CALLED CURING OF SICKNESS.
In many cases, many middle class people becomes BEGGERS/PAUPERS after getting into hospitals, nursing homes etc. just before dyeing.
mallu
05-14 03:26 AM
Next wave of investments will go here :
http://www.hindu.com/2007/05/14/stories/2007051407820100.htm
Companies in line : IBM, MicroSoft, Dell, Sun, HP etc.
http://www.hindu.com/2007/05/14/stories/2007051407820100.htm
Companies in line : IBM, MicroSoft, Dell, Sun, HP etc.
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PlainSpeak
01-14 05:02 PM
well, the people who are in eb3 and cannot do anything about it, for reasons that you quoted, i agree, it is a pity. but, you know what, "life is not fair".
Yes life is not fair but when we get a chance to be fair we (And that includes me also) let it go by.
it is a good thing u worry about others, and want to help them. however, when u look at those bills you mentioned and none getting passed. yes, it may look like a waste to do anything. however, we need to keep trying. with the limited resources we have, i think we should focus on "things/bills/issues" the IMPACT most people. doing something only for eb3 or eb2, in my opinion, would be even more difficult, given the progress legal immigration has made in this country. so, may be, u cud help in getting the things done that impact more people.
What i porposed was doing something in the DV bill for badly retrogressed applicants (There wil be no reference to EB3 or EB2). Now the fact that this might help EB3 is because EB3 is the most badly retrogressed section.
and it is ur decision not to go eb2 (even, with the resources you mentioned). have to admit, thats strange. may be u r like me, who is not obsessed with a gc. however, we live in a society, in a system (however flawed it may be), and we all try to live by those rules, try to use opportunities that are available legally and make our lives, a little better.
You know what i was tempted to do EB2 but my sense of right and wrong prevented me. My mess up the already loaded and unstable system with another app when i already have one. Now for persons who are in EB3 (Please remove me from the equation) are thier not because they wanted to but because of the way thei whole immigration crap has evolved. Sure porting will help me out and i wil not need to justify this to anyone else but i will have to face myself. I know most people do not get it. It is doing right.
i came to this country in 1999, i have a MS, PHD from a reputed Comp Sci program. Many people who (still) dont know much about Computer Sci. came into the dept, got their MS and have been very successful, making tons of money. i am a guy whose bs, ms and phd is in Comp Sci. i think u will find may 2 or 3 guz out of may 10, who have a degree in CS, particularly in the undergrad. i used to be very mad at all the electrical, mechanical etc guz getting software jobs. i used to hate almost all software professionals coz i thought i had to work very had for my ranks, on my gpa and on my degrees and see there are people who are making as much as i do, with none of that. slowly, but surely, i have come to terms that "life is not fair" and then, what if fellow human beings can get good jobs, whats wrong with that?? is how i started to see it, (as long as they are good enough).
No comments there i agree with you
what i am trying to say is please think in a global scale and help solve issues which can impact the MOST number of people and not just a minority. coz, the exceptions u stated, will be there for any issue.
Global scale. I thought we were on scale of US. Please let me correct you EB3 is not a minority but a Majority in the EB community. just because a situation is not worth helping is not any reason to not step forward. I personally feel that IV can do something which will help EB3 because that i sthe only category which has no help from anyone. As for EB2 i have no grudges against them . You got your GC or will get it soon and all the best of luck to you, but if something can be done for EB3 it should be
Jai Hind
Ok the official negetive count is 4500 MINUS for me so i guess no one stepped up and tried to do the right thing. Ok you know what guys there is nothing else to talk here any more and i guess things will never change here. So here is what i am going to do
1. I have a final reply to make to Mr VBKris77. Once i make the reply i will be gone for the day so i will not check any reply. I hope that the reply will answer all the people out here who are asking for some plan from me. Its a start but what is more important is that you guys realize that there was a serious intent and will to do something. There is one suggestion in the reply which i am sure will raise a big laugh from all you guys but please remember that the flower campaign was in the same vein and inspried by the same great man and that went on to be a hugh success.
2. Now to really make it a point that i am done here i will delete by account (If i can) or i would request IV Core and/or IV Admin to delete my account. If that can be done i would appreciate it. If anyone else can do it that will really be a big thing. Regarding the Post. If it gets deleted well and good and i would prefer it gets deleted because there has been no impact of the thread and when i say impact i mean impact in thinking of senior members and donors
Yes life is not fair but when we get a chance to be fair we (And that includes me also) let it go by.
it is a good thing u worry about others, and want to help them. however, when u look at those bills you mentioned and none getting passed. yes, it may look like a waste to do anything. however, we need to keep trying. with the limited resources we have, i think we should focus on "things/bills/issues" the IMPACT most people. doing something only for eb3 or eb2, in my opinion, would be even more difficult, given the progress legal immigration has made in this country. so, may be, u cud help in getting the things done that impact more people.
What i porposed was doing something in the DV bill for badly retrogressed applicants (There wil be no reference to EB3 or EB2). Now the fact that this might help EB3 is because EB3 is the most badly retrogressed section.
and it is ur decision not to go eb2 (even, with the resources you mentioned). have to admit, thats strange. may be u r like me, who is not obsessed with a gc. however, we live in a society, in a system (however flawed it may be), and we all try to live by those rules, try to use opportunities that are available legally and make our lives, a little better.
You know what i was tempted to do EB2 but my sense of right and wrong prevented me. My mess up the already loaded and unstable system with another app when i already have one. Now for persons who are in EB3 (Please remove me from the equation) are thier not because they wanted to but because of the way thei whole immigration crap has evolved. Sure porting will help me out and i wil not need to justify this to anyone else but i will have to face myself. I know most people do not get it. It is doing right.
i came to this country in 1999, i have a MS, PHD from a reputed Comp Sci program. Many people who (still) dont know much about Computer Sci. came into the dept, got their MS and have been very successful, making tons of money. i am a guy whose bs, ms and phd is in Comp Sci. i think u will find may 2 or 3 guz out of may 10, who have a degree in CS, particularly in the undergrad. i used to be very mad at all the electrical, mechanical etc guz getting software jobs. i used to hate almost all software professionals coz i thought i had to work very had for my ranks, on my gpa and on my degrees and see there are people who are making as much as i do, with none of that. slowly, but surely, i have come to terms that "life is not fair" and then, what if fellow human beings can get good jobs, whats wrong with that?? is how i started to see it, (as long as they are good enough).
No comments there i agree with you
what i am trying to say is please think in a global scale and help solve issues which can impact the MOST number of people and not just a minority. coz, the exceptions u stated, will be there for any issue.
Global scale. I thought we were on scale of US. Please let me correct you EB3 is not a minority but a Majority in the EB community. just because a situation is not worth helping is not any reason to not step forward. I personally feel that IV can do something which will help EB3 because that i sthe only category which has no help from anyone. As for EB2 i have no grudges against them . You got your GC or will get it soon and all the best of luck to you, but if something can be done for EB3 it should be
Jai Hind
Ok the official negetive count is 4500 MINUS for me so i guess no one stepped up and tried to do the right thing. Ok you know what guys there is nothing else to talk here any more and i guess things will never change here. So here is what i am going to do
1. I have a final reply to make to Mr VBKris77. Once i make the reply i will be gone for the day so i will not check any reply. I hope that the reply will answer all the people out here who are asking for some plan from me. Its a start but what is more important is that you guys realize that there was a serious intent and will to do something. There is one suggestion in the reply which i am sure will raise a big laugh from all you guys but please remember that the flower campaign was in the same vein and inspried by the same great man and that went on to be a hugh success.
2. Now to really make it a point that i am done here i will delete by account (If i can) or i would request IV Core and/or IV Admin to delete my account. If that can be done i would appreciate it. If anyone else can do it that will really be a big thing. Regarding the Post. If it gets deleted well and good and i would prefer it gets deleted because there has been no impact of the thread and when i say impact i mean impact in thinking of senior members and donors
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BharatPremi
12-13 01:22 PM
Hello All,
First and foremost, i must thank everyone from IV, who is working tirelessly to resolve the issues of retrogression in the GC process. As an affected individual I am very grateful that leaders of IV are ready to contribute so much effort for its goals. And even though I do not actively work for the IV agenda, I have contributed money to some IV action items.
I have a question/suggestion regarding the IV agenda. On IV's about page, pt number 2 asserts amongst other things,
The Discriminatory Per-Country Rationing of Green Cards That Exacerbates the Delays.
and further in the same point
We do not allow employers to discriminate hiring based on their nationality or country of origin. Therefore, the employment-based immigration, which is a derivative benefit of employment, should also be free from rationing based on nationality or country of birth.
I am curious to know what is the "legal" strength of these assertions is. Are they just "moral" statements or can the validity of these statements be tested in the legal framework of this country? In other words, my question is what is the constitutionality of the "Per Country Caps" in Employment / Family Based Immrigration procedures.
A lot of Laws and Statutes have been challenged in the Judicial System of USA. And many more are challenged every year. And if the laws are not constitutional then they can be repealed.
I am sure the leaders of IV must have thought about this argument however a quick search of the forums with 'constitutionality' as the search term did not return any results.
IV's efforts to utilize Lobbying to bring about change to alleviate/eliminate retrogression are certainly beneficial. However, if IV has not already considered and eliminated this legal argument, then it should explore whether there is any substance to this approach.
Hence this post. Below are some of the links that might be relevant.
wikipedia article on constitutionality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutionality)
wikipedia category on US immigration case law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:United_States_immigration_and_naturalizat ion_case_law)
thanks and sincerely,
--soljabhai
I am not a lawyer. Here is my understanding as a lay man:
What is constitution?
A: At some point of time, group of people, with having confidence from
majority of people, with a centralizing tone of some common
philosophy/ethics, create the framework of regulations with a goal to make
society orderely, to make sure that common good of people remains
prevalent and maintained and assures the penalty for deed done agianst
common good and breaking the common order of the society. Wise ones,
accepting the limit of individual capabilities, understanding the different
needs of the society at different time, keep windows opened to improve
the "base" constitution with making sure all checks and balances do not
allow the misuse and hecnce the word "Amendment/s" have the existence.
Now there has to be some base ground when base consitution is prepared.
What that could be? During the process of human evolution, with accumulated experience of centuries, human societies have established some common practices which we now name "Ethics" and amazingly many are similar across many culture. For example, Burglary is considered crime in each and every society without any question or difference. Why?.. I do not like somebody snatches away my chain as in my mind I have established my ownership to that chain. You also do not like it somebody snatches away your car.If there are only two humans on earth, things might have been simpler considering one is burglar of those two. But here in society now every body has to establish the proof that s/he is aowner of something and somebody else snatches that away then it is not good. So wise ones decided (to keep
controlled and organized society) made a rule : "From today we will call the act of snatching something away from somebody an act of crime if the person can prove that s/he is the original owner of that thing and let's call that person a "burglar" because he snatched away the thing" Now it was suited to everybody because it was protecting their belonging so that was established as "Ethics" and stories of "criminal behaviour"were created by every society for snatching away the thing from somebody. That make every human understand the fact that snatching away is bad thing
(if done openly:), If lawyer snatches away big money from your pocket .. no it is not a crime or that matter USCIS... just kidding :))
Now making story short, after 200/300 years of evolution, USA has legally decided to push the "Ethics" of employment: "Equivalent Oppertunity to all Citizens without race, creed, color, country of origin" and "Skill is the criteria of an employment" Now when these ethical and progressive principals are already implemented for common good of citizens, it should be implemented for foreign labor (non immigrants/immigrants).
Can we "constitutionally" label some person that, hey you will be called burglar if you snatches thing away from US born person but you will not be called burglar if you snatches away the thing from pakistani or Sweedish or Chiense who has just arrived in this country?
So bootmline: If at all constitution is permitting "per country based ceilings" then
we will have to fight to change that because it is not right.
First and foremost, i must thank everyone from IV, who is working tirelessly to resolve the issues of retrogression in the GC process. As an affected individual I am very grateful that leaders of IV are ready to contribute so much effort for its goals. And even though I do not actively work for the IV agenda, I have contributed money to some IV action items.
I have a question/suggestion regarding the IV agenda. On IV's about page, pt number 2 asserts amongst other things,
The Discriminatory Per-Country Rationing of Green Cards That Exacerbates the Delays.
and further in the same point
We do not allow employers to discriminate hiring based on their nationality or country of origin. Therefore, the employment-based immigration, which is a derivative benefit of employment, should also be free from rationing based on nationality or country of birth.
I am curious to know what is the "legal" strength of these assertions is. Are they just "moral" statements or can the validity of these statements be tested in the legal framework of this country? In other words, my question is what is the constitutionality of the "Per Country Caps" in Employment / Family Based Immrigration procedures.
A lot of Laws and Statutes have been challenged in the Judicial System of USA. And many more are challenged every year. And if the laws are not constitutional then they can be repealed.
I am sure the leaders of IV must have thought about this argument however a quick search of the forums with 'constitutionality' as the search term did not return any results.
IV's efforts to utilize Lobbying to bring about change to alleviate/eliminate retrogression are certainly beneficial. However, if IV has not already considered and eliminated this legal argument, then it should explore whether there is any substance to this approach.
Hence this post. Below are some of the links that might be relevant.
wikipedia article on constitutionality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutionality)
wikipedia category on US immigration case law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:United_States_immigration_and_naturalizat ion_case_law)
thanks and sincerely,
--soljabhai
I am not a lawyer. Here is my understanding as a lay man:
What is constitution?
A: At some point of time, group of people, with having confidence from
majority of people, with a centralizing tone of some common
philosophy/ethics, create the framework of regulations with a goal to make
society orderely, to make sure that common good of people remains
prevalent and maintained and assures the penalty for deed done agianst
common good and breaking the common order of the society. Wise ones,
accepting the limit of individual capabilities, understanding the different
needs of the society at different time, keep windows opened to improve
the "base" constitution with making sure all checks and balances do not
allow the misuse and hecnce the word "Amendment/s" have the existence.
Now there has to be some base ground when base consitution is prepared.
What that could be? During the process of human evolution, with accumulated experience of centuries, human societies have established some common practices which we now name "Ethics" and amazingly many are similar across many culture. For example, Burglary is considered crime in each and every society without any question or difference. Why?.. I do not like somebody snatches away my chain as in my mind I have established my ownership to that chain. You also do not like it somebody snatches away your car.If there are only two humans on earth, things might have been simpler considering one is burglar of those two. But here in society now every body has to establish the proof that s/he is aowner of something and somebody else snatches that away then it is not good. So wise ones decided (to keep
controlled and organized society) made a rule : "From today we will call the act of snatching something away from somebody an act of crime if the person can prove that s/he is the original owner of that thing and let's call that person a "burglar" because he snatched away the thing" Now it was suited to everybody because it was protecting their belonging so that was established as "Ethics" and stories of "criminal behaviour"were created by every society for snatching away the thing from somebody. That make every human understand the fact that snatching away is bad thing
(if done openly:), If lawyer snatches away big money from your pocket .. no it is not a crime or that matter USCIS... just kidding :))
Now making story short, after 200/300 years of evolution, USA has legally decided to push the "Ethics" of employment: "Equivalent Oppertunity to all Citizens without race, creed, color, country of origin" and "Skill is the criteria of an employment" Now when these ethical and progressive principals are already implemented for common good of citizens, it should be implemented for foreign labor (non immigrants/immigrants).
Can we "constitutionally" label some person that, hey you will be called burglar if you snatches thing away from US born person but you will not be called burglar if you snatches away the thing from pakistani or Sweedish or Chiense who has just arrived in this country?
So bootmline: If at all constitution is permitting "per country based ceilings" then
we will have to fight to change that because it is not right.
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snathan
08-17 12:37 PM
It looks like a lot of "so called educated folks" are PROBABLY JELOUS :) :) of Mr SRK.
No matter what - he is a capable man and I appreciate him for whatever he is.
If he is not doing anything to reduce poverty in India - well then it is his choice, but you can definitely let him know "Mr SRK please use your popularity in a good way and reduce poverty and disease in India"
Folks - all the starts do have "value" When I say stars - they are public figures, right from mucisians to television anchors to actors or ramp models or anyone - they are what they are because of their destiny, so just because they cannot code or hold a sthethescope, does not mean they are bad.
In fact The then president of the US applauded 'Bill Pullman" for his fascinating speech in the Independence Day movie claiming he did something marvellous.
No one cares who the heck is he...when dozens of people dying without food and because of drought, GOI has better jobs to do rather than going after the BCP for this moron. How many times Ambika Soni cared about normal people are suffered in security check. We are still struck colonial mentality and hero worship. This crap is happening only in india. They are expecting the same from US as well.
No matter what - he is a capable man and I appreciate him for whatever he is.
If he is not doing anything to reduce poverty in India - well then it is his choice, but you can definitely let him know "Mr SRK please use your popularity in a good way and reduce poverty and disease in India"
Folks - all the starts do have "value" When I say stars - they are public figures, right from mucisians to television anchors to actors or ramp models or anyone - they are what they are because of their destiny, so just because they cannot code or hold a sthethescope, does not mean they are bad.
In fact The then president of the US applauded 'Bill Pullman" for his fascinating speech in the Independence Day movie claiming he did something marvellous.
No one cares who the heck is he...when dozens of people dying without food and because of drought, GOI has better jobs to do rather than going after the BCP for this moron. How many times Ambika Soni cared about normal people are suffered in security check. We are still struck colonial mentality and hero worship. This crap is happening only in india. They are expecting the same from US as well.
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nfinity
07-04 08:51 AM
Dugg the links, posted to the board. What other action items do we have?
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PlainSpeak
03-24 10:37 AM
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gsvisu
07-12 11:04 PM
Canada immigration is simple & straight forward.
No expensive lawyers are required or any lengthy procedures. Just self do. Also look at the currency rate of US and Canada almost same... Tax is a little high but medical is fully covered.
You need to fill forms,send all your education, papers etc and LO ! you are done and get PR Card. Some of my friends got it in less than 2 yrs.
go to http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp and you can apply on your own.
P.S: I am not an lawyer. Just another frusted GC wait, wait no reply candidate.
No expensive lawyers are required or any lengthy procedures. Just self do. Also look at the currency rate of US and Canada almost same... Tax is a little high but medical is fully covered.
You need to fill forms,send all your education, papers etc and LO ! you are done and get PR Card. Some of my friends got it in less than 2 yrs.
go to http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.asp and you can apply on your own.
P.S: I am not an lawyer. Just another frusted GC wait, wait no reply candidate.
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dilipcr
06-16 01:50 PM
Easy for you to say when you are applying for your citizenship. You sir, are an idiot. And if you were really on H1 for as long as you claim, you are a mean idiot, no less.
Retrogression is a scar on the face of EB immigration.
Thats the reason every immigration bill so far related to EB has tried to resolve this issue. Anyone who says retrogression is good is either misinformed or a pychopathic specimen that needs instant mental evaluation, followed by treatment and observation in an asylum. The observation should continue for as long as it takes a typical EB3-India case to get approved. To paraphrase your quote: "The truly cured would still be observed until their turn for release comes"
Why do you have to resort to calling names ? Are ad hominem arguments the best you could come up with ? Let me give you an analogous case wherein people say that a recession is a good thing. Recession occurs in order to cleanse the economy of bohemian excesses and inefficiencies. Do you think that such people are sadists and belong to the mental asylum ? Of course there are people who get affected in a recession. Does it mean it is not desired ? In a similar vein, you need to understand that there were and are huge gaping inefficiencies in the current immigration process. There has to be a way to curb these excesses and inefficiencies. Retrogression may not be the best way but it is the only way utilized right now. If you still believe that I have to subscribe to these inefficiencies despite having gone through the immigration process, I am sorry I beg to differ.
Retrogression is a scar on the face of EB immigration.
Thats the reason every immigration bill so far related to EB has tried to resolve this issue. Anyone who says retrogression is good is either misinformed or a pychopathic specimen that needs instant mental evaluation, followed by treatment and observation in an asylum. The observation should continue for as long as it takes a typical EB3-India case to get approved. To paraphrase your quote: "The truly cured would still be observed until their turn for release comes"
Why do you have to resort to calling names ? Are ad hominem arguments the best you could come up with ? Let me give you an analogous case wherein people say that a recession is a good thing. Recession occurs in order to cleanse the economy of bohemian excesses and inefficiencies. Do you think that such people are sadists and belong to the mental asylum ? Of course there are people who get affected in a recession. Does it mean it is not desired ? In a similar vein, you need to understand that there were and are huge gaping inefficiencies in the current immigration process. There has to be a way to curb these excesses and inefficiencies. Retrogression may not be the best way but it is the only way utilized right now. If you still believe that I have to subscribe to these inefficiencies despite having gone through the immigration process, I am sorry I beg to differ.
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senthil1
06-15 04:53 PM
H1b cap is 65k+ 20K for US master degree and remaining are exemptions. Total approimately 125K were issued on 2007.
"H1B numbers were 125K in 2007"
Holly cow ! I always thought H1B cap is set to 65K (except for a few years in early 2000) :-)
The 125K which you mentioned is popularly used by anti-immigrant lobbys to push their argument. It includes all H1B transfers NOT only the fresh H1.
So, if X get his H1 in 2006 and change to a new company in 2007 , you will count X against 2006 as well as 2007 giving a false number. However, if X applies for a GC, it is not 2X applying for GC --- just X .
Recapture bill will help a lot in clearing the backlog. For future EB GC, if the dependents are not counted for immigrant visa, it will be much cleaner. Not all L1 and H1 apply for GC. Mostly the major Indian IT companies DO NOT sponsor GC (and as you know they are the major users of L1).
"H1B numbers were 125K in 2007"
Holly cow ! I always thought H1B cap is set to 65K (except for a few years in early 2000) :-)
The 125K which you mentioned is popularly used by anti-immigrant lobbys to push their argument. It includes all H1B transfers NOT only the fresh H1.
So, if X get his H1 in 2006 and change to a new company in 2007 , you will count X against 2006 as well as 2007 giving a false number. However, if X applies for a GC, it is not 2X applying for GC --- just X .
Recapture bill will help a lot in clearing the backlog. For future EB GC, if the dependents are not counted for immigrant visa, it will be much cleaner. Not all L1 and H1 apply for GC. Mostly the major Indian IT companies DO NOT sponsor GC (and as you know they are the major users of L1).
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JazzByTheBay
12-13 09:09 PM
Probably the best argument I've read all day, and your take on it makes a lot more sense - great for a sanity check! :)
cheers!
jazz
As you use the phrase Check Mate....
Chess is all about thinking strategically several moves ahead.
Given the current political climate on immigration I think that we will be in a check mate position (on the loosing end) if we pursue that road.
The anti's would be all over us as soon as we filed in federal district court probably even before a hearing, and definitely after a hearing. If we lost in lower courts the Supreme Court would probably refuse to hear the appeal, in the mean time we'd have just stirred up the anti's hornets nest against us, just as much if not worse than against the illegals.
Asking Congress to make small changes in the existing laws annoys the anti's. Telling them or forcing them to wholesale rewrite their laws would make us public enemy #1. We would be lucky to have more than a handful of law makers willing to stand up for us. It would kill off all lobbying ability.
Think of lobbying as polite negotiation.
Think of Supreme court case as picking a fist fight, in which we are badly out numbered.
Once you have started a fist fight it is much harder to negotiate, especially from a loosing position.
I would rather negotiate than fight, I would rather lobby than court challenge.
So yes, check mate, if we follow this route.
Alternatively, a British phase: Royally screwed!
cheers!
jazz
As you use the phrase Check Mate....
Chess is all about thinking strategically several moves ahead.
Given the current political climate on immigration I think that we will be in a check mate position (on the loosing end) if we pursue that road.
The anti's would be all over us as soon as we filed in federal district court probably even before a hearing, and definitely after a hearing. If we lost in lower courts the Supreme Court would probably refuse to hear the appeal, in the mean time we'd have just stirred up the anti's hornets nest against us, just as much if not worse than against the illegals.
Asking Congress to make small changes in the existing laws annoys the anti's. Telling them or forcing them to wholesale rewrite their laws would make us public enemy #1. We would be lucky to have more than a handful of law makers willing to stand up for us. It would kill off all lobbying ability.
Think of lobbying as polite negotiation.
Think of Supreme court case as picking a fist fight, in which we are badly out numbered.
Once you have started a fist fight it is much harder to negotiate, especially from a loosing position.
I would rather negotiate than fight, I would rather lobby than court challenge.
So yes, check mate, if we follow this route.
Alternatively, a British phase: Royally screwed!
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LostInGCProcess
08-18 09:43 PM
I usually just browse through these forums and I really appreciate the effort put in by the organizers. But this thread gave me an urge to respond and perhaps talk.
Don't ever be that Indian guy in the office. Be a smart global citizen.
Wow!!! Nice post. I like the last line you mentioned. :)
Don't ever be that Indian guy in the office. Be a smart global citizen.
Wow!!! Nice post. I like the last line you mentioned. :)
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gc4me
02-13 01:39 PM
Thanks for your valuable information. But how about lots of unused visas?
Why USCIS did not allocate those to countries like Nepal which only used 70.
Further division is not good.
I was on record that DOS/USCIS misallocated visas in 2005. India received much more in eb3 then what they were entitled to. In fact, India, China, Mexico and Phillipines should have not gone over their 7% as a whole of the 250,000 greencards available. Because of this; dos/uscis learned their lesson and started to follow the law appropriately.
I did say that if in 2006 any country went above their limit of 7% then it would cause a lawsuit which I would be a part of. However, there would be some negative outcomes from it. UScIS/DOS behaviour could only change going forward. They could revoke the greencards issued in 2005 for people who went over the 7% limit (uscis has upto 5 years to rescind greencard if approved by mistake) but they would not get re-allocated because there is no carryover from one year to the next in the current law. Only outcome would be to change it going forward. As I've said in the past; people were spoiled at the laziness of DOS/USCIS. Retrogression and the visa allocation should have happened a long time ago.
Why USCIS did not allocate those to countries like Nepal which only used 70.
Further division is not good.
I was on record that DOS/USCIS misallocated visas in 2005. India received much more in eb3 then what they were entitled to. In fact, India, China, Mexico and Phillipines should have not gone over their 7% as a whole of the 250,000 greencards available. Because of this; dos/uscis learned their lesson and started to follow the law appropriately.
I did say that if in 2006 any country went above their limit of 7% then it would cause a lawsuit which I would be a part of. However, there would be some negative outcomes from it. UScIS/DOS behaviour could only change going forward. They could revoke the greencards issued in 2005 for people who went over the 7% limit (uscis has upto 5 years to rescind greencard if approved by mistake) but they would not get re-allocated because there is no carryover from one year to the next in the current law. Only outcome would be to change it going forward. As I've said in the past; people were spoiled at the laziness of DOS/USCIS. Retrogression and the visa allocation should have happened a long time ago.
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Ramba
07-17 12:24 PM
Yes, horizontal spill-over gives preference to EB Category. But the vertical spillover didnt promote diversity. It just ensured that the applicant with the oldest PD was allotted the first available spill-over visa number irrespective of his EB category or country of origin. This just ensured that someone doesnt wait too long. as you know, most of the vertical spillovers were consumed by EB3-India and china. Then, how can it promote diversity.
to make it simple, here is my understanding
Vertical spill over --> PD precedes EB category and Country of Origin
Horizontal spill over --> EB Category precedes PD and country of origin.
Thanks,
gcisadawg
Before AC21 law, both India and China gets only 3000 EB2 visas (7% of 40000). The remaining unused visas in EB2 goes to EB3 worldwide catagory, NOT TO EB3-India. After AC21 law, all the 40,000 EB2 visas are made available to EB2 catagory, irrespective of country of orgin. In either case EB3-I will get same 3000 visas. There is no difference for EB3-I, before and now. EB3-India will always get only 3000 visas per year till EB3-ROW become current.
to make it simple, here is my understanding
Vertical spill over --> PD precedes EB category and Country of Origin
Horizontal spill over --> EB Category precedes PD and country of origin.
Thanks,
gcisadawg
Before AC21 law, both India and China gets only 3000 EB2 visas (7% of 40000). The remaining unused visas in EB2 goes to EB3 worldwide catagory, NOT TO EB3-India. After AC21 law, all the 40,000 EB2 visas are made available to EB2 catagory, irrespective of country of orgin. In either case EB3-I will get same 3000 visas. There is no difference for EB3-I, before and now. EB3-India will always get only 3000 visas per year till EB3-ROW become current.
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_TrueFacts
09-03 11:00 PM
breddy2000,
Stick to the point, on YSR. Or open a thread on your favorite topics.
AP has seen an unprecedented political killings, govt and personal land grabbing, corruption, and opportunistic politics just for one man thirst YSR.
It’s better to have none than these factionist gundas. As for my id, yes just for this and more and it should not matter you. If you have point, talk about it, otherwise just shut up and don’t preach like YSR’s family member that “Someone or something is better than none”
Stick to the point, on YSR. Or open a thread on your favorite topics.
AP has seen an unprecedented political killings, govt and personal land grabbing, corruption, and opportunistic politics just for one man thirst YSR.
It’s better to have none than these factionist gundas. As for my id, yes just for this and more and it should not matter you. If you have point, talk about it, otherwise just shut up and don’t preach like YSR’s family member that “Someone or something is better than none”
gdilla
05-11 04:06 PM
No country in the world will give you credit for pension contributions you've made in another country. If you haven't earned enough credits to draw from SS in the US when you retire, then you get nothing. Period.
Remember, the SS tax is a tax, not an etitlement. "Paying in" guarantees nothing. By the time you retire, the fiscal health of the SS system may be so drastically different (in part dealing with all the baby boomers) that you really shouldn't count on it even being available in any way that makes a difference in your life.
Remember, the SS tax is a tax, not an etitlement. "Paying in" guarantees nothing. By the time you retire, the fiscal health of the SS system may be so drastically different (in part dealing with all the baby boomers) that you really shouldn't count on it even being available in any way that makes a difference in your life.
eager_immi
07-11 02:02 PM
Nobody is denying US is a better country at this point of time financially. Canada is no comparison. But the issue is do we want to continue living like prisoners in the US or seek opportunity else where? I think if opportunity comes knocking at your door grab it bc US is going throught it's xenophobic phase.
be ware grass is not always greenr on the other side....in canada i mean...read anad heard a lot of bad experiences in canada
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be ware grass is not always greenr on the other side....in canada i mean...read anad heard a lot of bad experiences in canada
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